Californian- A Look at the Inconsistancies

Re: Californian- A Look at the Inconsistancies

Postby Timothy Trower on Wed May 06, 2009 7:38 am


One thing to watch is pinning blame on the Samson -- that vessel has been proven conclusively to have not been anywhere near the sinking. You might want to reread what Chris wrote about that ship, and the appropriate section of The Indifferent Stranger by Paul Lee. (My online copy eludes me at the moment!)
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Re: Californian- A Look at the Inconsistancies

Postby Aly Jones on Wed May 06, 2009 10:02 am

Ok Tim, point taken.
Aly Jones

Re: Californian- A Look at the Inconsistancies

Postby Michael H Standart on Wed May 06, 2009 12:48 pm

>>True about the illegal whaling vessel the Samson,not owning up,that's why the Californian was accused in the first place.<<

Actually, it's not.

For one thing, the Samson was supposedly a seal hunting vessel and in 1912, there was nothing illegal about hunting seals...or even whales for that matter. All that aside, the fatal flaw in the Samson story is that the ship was known to be tied up at Isafjordhur Iceland on April 6, and again on April 20. There's just no way that this 6 knot capable ship could have made the over 1500 mile round trip from Iceland to the Titanic wreck site and back in that time span.
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Re: Californian- A Look at the Inconsistancies

Postby Aly Jones on Thu May 07, 2009 7:27 am

Ok Mr Michael,I see now a 6 knot ship could not go that distance,I admitt I am wrong.

Aly Jones

Re: Californian- A Look at the Inconsistancies

Postby Jim Buchanan on Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:03 pm

Inconsistancies? I would have thought there are more like-for-like bits of evidence in this story than the ones touted by Rostron, Bisset, Lightholler et al. Not one of those gallant lads had their evidence placed under so many microscopes and made money out of the affair! My personal opinion is that all the lads on Californian told the truth as they saw it. Sure I've read all the kearned and not so learned propositions and theories ad nausem but to me.. the Californian story was a very good example of casting oil on troubled waters - a smoke screen - a public suppression of the fact that the true incompetant drowned and did not have to face a jury of his peers.
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Re: Californian- A Look at the Inconsistancies

Postby SamHalpern on Thu Jul 08, 2010 1:49 pm

A new article of mine dealing with a number of navigational inconsistencies reported in the logbook of the SS Californian for April 14, 1912, has been posted on my website. It is called "Navigational Inconsistencies of the SS Californian," and is in PDF format. It can be downloaded at: ... encies.pdf.

In particular, I show that Californian's reported noontime position for April 14, 1912, was slightly in error, a result of a simple entry error when her longitude was recorded. After correcting for this small error in longitude we find all calculated dead reckoning (DR) positions from 9:40 a.m. to 10:21 p.m. fall neatly into place for the reported course headings she was put on, and consistent for the speed that she was making that day. We also show that her logbook entries for that day, which were later written up, were not in agreement with several wireless messages she sent out, and offer direct evidence that the DR stopping point derived in this paper agrees with the actual position Capt. Lord sent to Capt. Gambel of the Virginian before receiving back official word about Titanic on Monday morning.
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